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LAS VEGAS - SEPTEMBER 18: (L-R) Boxing announcer Michael Buffer, Koraun Mayweather, boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. and his advisor Leonard Ellerbe attend the official weigh-in for Mayweather's fight against against Juan Manuel Marquez at the MGM Grand Garden Arena September 18, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The two will fight at the MGM on September 19. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Michael Buffer;Koraun Mayweather;Floyd Mayweather Jr.;Leonard Ellerbe
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LAS VEGAS - SEPTEMBER 18: Boxer Juan Manuel Marquez poses during the official weigh-in for his fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr. at the MGM Grand Garden Arena September 18, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The two will fight at the MGM on September 19. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Juan Manuel Marquez
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LAS VEGAS - SEPTEMBER 18: WWE wrestler Triple H attends the official weigh-in for boxers Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez at the MGM Grand Garden Arena September 18, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The two will fight at the MGM on September 19. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Triple H
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LAS VEGAS - SEPTEMBER 18: Radio personality Eddie "Piolin" Sotelo gestures during the official weigh-in for boxers Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez at the MGM Grand Garden Arena September 18, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The two will fight at the MGM on September 19. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Eddie Sotelo
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LAS VEGAS - SEPTEMBER 18: WWE wrestler Triple H attends the official weigh-in for boxers Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez at the MGM Grand Garden Arena September 18, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The two will fight at the MGM on September 19. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Triple H
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LAS VEGAS - SEPTEMBER 18: Radio personality Eddie "Piolin" Sotelo (L) and boxing promoter Oscar De La Hoya entertain the crowd during the official weigh-in for boxers Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez at the MGM Grand Garden Arena September 18, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The two will fight at the MGM on September 19. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Eddie Sotelo;Oscar De La Hoya
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LAS VEGAS - SEPTEMBER 18: Actor/comedian D.L. Hughley speaks at the official weigh-in for boxers Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez at the MGM Grand Garden Arena September 18, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The two will fight at the MGM on September 19. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** D.L. Hughley
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LAS VEGAS - SEPTEMBER 18: WWE wrestler Triple H attends the official weigh-in for boxers Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez at the MGM Grand Garden Arena September 18, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The two will fight at the MGM on September 19. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Triple H
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LAS VEGAS - SEPTEMBER 18: Boxing promoter Oscar De La Hoya gestures during the official weigh-in for boxers Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez at the MGM Grand Garden Arena September 18, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The two will fight at the MGM on September 19. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Oscar De La Hoya
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LAS VEGAS - SEPTEMBER 18: WWE wrestler Triple H (L) and boxing promoter Oscar De La Hoya talk during the official weigh-in for boxers Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Juan Manuel Marquez at the MGM Grand Garden Arena September 18, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The two will fight at the MGM on September 19. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Triple H;Oscar De La Hoya
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Photos: Mayweather Vs. Marquez
Guess what commercial aired next? Undefeated former welterweight champion Floyd Mayweather's returning to the ring against Juan Manuel Marquez. For a pay-per-view price of $49.95, that commercial stated, I could see that card live as well Saturday night. It would be coming from Las Vegas, and starting at 9 PM ET, too.
I'm going to watch the latter. I'd already planned to. Boxing promoters better hope there are a lot more fans like me, too.
Because if there was one thing those back-to-back commercials underscored, it was that the big fight Saturday night isn't between Mayweather and Marquez, or Belfort and Franklin for that matter; it is between Mayweather's classic fighting sport, boxing, and the still relatively newfangled fighting sport known as MMA.
If this UFC event beats Mayweather-Marquez, boxing will be holding a second fiddle on the fight front. MMA will have knocked out a guy in Mayweather who once was part of a PPV record draw when he beat Oscar De La Hoya, the king of PPVs. And MMA is threatening to do so with a couple of guys tugging a card considered to be no big deal even among MMA aficionados.
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DALLAS - SEPTEMBER 18: UFC lightweight Tyson Griffin weighs in at the Weigh Ins for UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort on September 18, 2009 in Dallas, Texas. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Tyson Griffin
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DALLAS - SEPTEMBER 18: UFC lightweight Tyson Griffin (L) squares off with UFC lightweight Hermes Franca (R) at the Weigh Ins for UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort on September 18, 2009 in Dallas, Texas. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Tyson Griffin;Hermes Franca
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DALLAS - SEPTEMBER 18: UFC lightweight Tyson Griffin (L) squares off with UFC lightweight Hermes Franca (R) at the Weigh Ins for UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort on September 18, 2009 in Dallas, Texas. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Tyson Griffin;Hermes Franca
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DALLAS - SEPTEMBER 18: UFC welterweight Josh Koscheck squares off with UFC welterweight Frank Trigg at the Weigh Ins for UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort on September 18, 2009 in Dallas, Texas. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Josh Koscheck;Frank Trigg
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DALLAS - SEPTEMBER 18: UFC welterweight Josh Koscheck squares off with UFC welterweight Frank Trigg at the Weigh Ins for UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort on September 18, 2009 in Dallas, Texas. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Josh Koscheck;Frank Trigg
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DALLAS - SEPTEMBER 18: UFC welterweight Martin Kampmann weighs in at the Weigh Ins for UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort on September 18, 2009 in Dallas, Texas. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Martin Kampmann
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DALLAS - SEPTEMBER 18: UFC welterweight Martin Kampmann (L) squares off with UFC welterweight Paul Daley (R) at the Weigh Ins for UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort on September 18, 2009 in Dallas, Texas. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Martin Kampmann;Paul Daley
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DALLAS - SEPTEMBER 18: UFC heavyweight Mirko Cro Cop (L) squares off with UFC heavyweight Junior Dos Santos at the Weigh Ins for UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort on September 18, 2009 in Dallas, Texas. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Mirko Cro Cop;Junior Dos Santos
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DALLAS - SEPTEMBER 18: UFC heavyweight Junior Dos Santos weighs in at the Weigh Ins for UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort on September 18, 2009 in Dallas, Texas. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Junior Dos Santos
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DALLAS - SEPTEMBER 18: UFC heavyweight Mirko Cro Cop weighs in at the Weigh Ins for UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort on September 18, 2009 in Dallas, Texas. (Photo by Jon Kopaloff/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Mirko Cro Cop
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I wish I could dismiss that fact like mere fiction. I still love boxing with all its warts and dismiss MMA as something I can see after closing hours any night on Bourbon Street. I don't get MMA. It's not my cup of blood. (That reminds me: Dear MMA fans, please stop telling me how much more humane your sport is than boxing because no one has been killed in it. That's pure myth. Tell it to the family of Sam Vasquez in Houston, to name one.)
But anyone like me who doesn't believe Saturday is about something more than what happens between Mayweather and Marquez is delusional. Saturday night isn't so much about how Mayweather looks after his brief retirement. (Marquez at his age and smallish size is tailor-made for Mayweather's return.) It is about whether he can hold off not only Marquez but the rising tide of MMA as well. MMA organizers know it and they are circling in the waters.
"No matter what happens on Saturday night, boxing is in trouble. Period. End of story. They're in trouble," UFC's irascible boss Dana White said Thursday. "[The UFC] continues to grow every year. We're up this year from where we were last year in this horrible economy."
Those are fighting words, indeed, and the booty is PPVs, the ultimate barometer of success in the fighting sports. They are the lifeblood of fight games and boxing can't allow it to be siphoned away by some hyped up version of itself. (Note to wrestling fans, who put up outrageous PPV numbers too: I don't recognize Vince McMahon and your WWE stuff for the same reason I don't watch special effects flicks -- it's made up.)
Longtime boxing promoter Bob Arum sadly sounded like UFC's often juvenile boss White when he used homophobic phraseology to denounce MMA in an on-camera interview with FanHouse's Ariel Helwani during a recent Manny Pacquiao-Miguel Cotto press conference in Yankee Stadium. Arum told Helwani that UFC fans were "a bunch of skinhead white guys who are watching a bunch of people in the ring who look like skinhead white guys." The 78-year-old businessman then stooped deeper into the well of repulsive insults by impugning MMA fighters and gay people.
With the challenge of this weekend, Arum would be wise to adopt the Jets' coach Rex Ryan approach to marketing by robo-calling previous PPV boxing buyers and plead with them to dial in again Saturday.
And if Arum hasn't apologized for his smear, he should -- publicly -- unless, of course, the types of fans he wants to attract to replace all the hemorrhaging followers are those with such Neanderthal-like thoughts. I'm referencing the first part of his first charge and all of the second. Given that MMA addressed a swastika and white-power tattooed fighter simply by asking him to cover his offensive body art with athletic wrap doesn't sit well with me, either. Any MMA organization the guy wanted to fight for should've forced him to rid himself of such offensive ink. MMA fans should be demanding it too. I haven't heard a hue and cry. But that's an issue for another column.
For the purview of this column, Arum's charge was evidence of his level of concern for the rising tide of MMA and its threat to the game from which he loves to make money. Arum's statements were preceded by similar coarse observations about MMA from Mayweather, who dismissed MMA as the only fighting sport white fighters can find in which they can thrive. Undoubtedly, that didn't win Mayweather many new viewers for his upcoming bout and may have cost him some.
Mayweather, now 32, should be particularly concerned about Saturday because he never proved to be Oscar De La Hoya as a draw. His bark is louder that his bite. He and the late Arturo Gatti fought for a super lightweight title in June 2005 and attracted 365,000 buys, and many of those came undoubtedly because of the huge popularity of Gatti. Arum promoted Mayweather's fight with Brooklyn bad boy Zab Judah in April 2006 and it sold just 375,000 PPVs even though Arum boasted it would rival the 1.4 million buys De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad Jr. brought in 1999. Mayweather versus Carlos Baldomir late in 2006 did worse than all of the above. Now Mayweather is returning to the ring with boxing organizers hoping -- if not praying -- that he can be De La Hoya.
If Mayweather-Marquez is in Mayweather's old draw range, boxing will be dusting itself off as it tries to get up from the canvas.











Reader Comments (Page 1 of 8)
9-18-2009 @ 10:04PM
George said...
Your tone virtually says you don't care for the MMA without directly saying it,but it is the first article I ever liked that you wrote. Dana is right,after Mayweather wins tomorrow night than the last great boxing event will be when Manny whips him to death,than boxing will be dead. I think the UFC will outsell the boxing event by a 2-1 margin Saturday night,GO RICH!
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9-19-2009 @ 2:50PM
Kirk said...
I am A BIG mma fan But I dont know if saturdays UFC card is strong enough to beat the Mayweather card. It would be different if it was a liddell or silva or rampage card. But Most recent MMa fans dont know who Belfort is and Franklin seems to be a fighter stuck at no 2.
9-19-2009 @ 3:22PM
sstitan2 said...
haha who cares about rich franklin i might would watch just to see cro cop but anyone thats say mayweather will easily win has no clue about boxing and shouldnt even be readying this article. Marquez is arguably better then pac-man and has a great chance to win this fight he has tremendous punching power and will take it to his ribs
9-19-2009 @ 5:06PM
spikespiegelsa said...
When you only have a couple of names that can draw big numbers, your sport is in trouble. Especially if those same couple of names are some of the same names that were around years and years ago. When the only huge buy you can manage is bringing someone out of retirement... you're in trouble. I love boxing. I wish it wasn't so. But it is. It's done. At least for now. Maybe someday it'll recapture the glory days of the larger-than-life heavyweight fights. But until then, let it go.
Boxing will probably have more buys than MMA tonight. It's a huge fight, and boxing is more mainstream. UFC's card is... well, decent, I guess. But if Fedor vs. Lesnar would've happened tonight, there's no question that MMA would've had more buys by a landslide. And the UFC doesn't just have a few big names; there are any number of dream matches that the fans are waiting for, fight cards that will eventually inch back towards that 1.5 mark. And unlike boxing, it's constantly acquiring better and more unique talent every year.
I'm always amused by those clinging to the fantasy of boxing and writing off MMA as backyard streetfighting. I suppose it makes them feel as though they have more "class" and more "respect" for "sports" and "real competition".
Right.
You keep clinging desperately to that idea, if it makes you feel better. I have respect for both sport- but even if MMA "isn't your thing", it doesn't take a genius to see the direction that combat sports are evolving towards.
9-19-2009 @ 6:29PM
Danny said...
never
9-19-2009 @ 10:44PM
SMH said...
Manny couldn`t beat Mayweather if you gave him 2 extra hands to box with.
9-19-2009 @ 10:56PM
yoggie2 said...
I am a BIG boxing fan but I fear you may be right, boxing goose is cooked. I feel the day of of big Prize Fight purses are coming to an end and waiting for the big fight is now over..Greed has ruined Boxing forever and the long lay-offs and dodging better fighters and I can't tell you how many times I have seen boxing OLD boxers out to push a big fight, its gotten pathetic.. MMA has 6 or 7 Major fights a year and non-stop mauling it just makes for better entertainment.
9-18-2009 @ 10:58PM
kerel24k said...
If you want to see Mix Martial Arts, you can't see that watching a bar fight Bourbon Street. That's like me saying if I want to watch a basketball game, I'll watch two 2 year old play ball on a 2 foot hoop.
MMA fighters are professionals, using skills (boxing, muay thai, wreslting,judo) that have been around for hundred of years to fight their opponents. it's not bar fight at ALL.
I don't understand why you old media types can grasp this. True combat sport fans can appreciate both sports equally. You have two well train athletes, battling for money, recognition, and respect. The only difference is the rules of the sports, and the business model. MMA has it right.
Mayweather is going to win the ppv fight this saturday, however, if Boxing wants to stay relevant they are going to have to stop their stupid corrupt practices and start showing the fights that the people want. Something that MMA does every month.
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9-19-2009 @ 4:50PM
joe said...
MMA is professional is the sense that they get paid for what they do. Why not let them have swords and machetes and simply hack each other to death
9-19-2009 @ 9:18AM
isidro said...
Boxing is boxing but those ancient sports club into one commercialized type of sport isn't boxing at all.people that like or even got interested of boxing knows that ,it is boxing.
Where are you people getting that bad idea that boxing is outsold or out like by MMA/UFC.If it is a jig zaw puzzle to fit and finish it won't because boxing is really above and MMA/UFC ,i don't maybe getting notice?if the growth of wealth is the basis then even those not in any business of sport is outdoing boxing too.
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9-19-2009 @ 12:04PM
Dom said...
You mention Sam Vasquez whose death was a tragedy but on an unregulated card. It was a small show with the wrong properly trained people present. How many boxers on big shows have been severely hurt or died? Present all the facts. You are a great writer and MMA may not be to your liking but atleast give all the facts with the safety record. Two deaths in 20 years on small unlicensed shows.
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9-19-2009 @ 2:21PM
parkerdonaldg said...
Dana White is the Man! he took something we love and provided it to us. effeciently. thank you
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9-19-2009 @ 2:23PM
Billyum said...
I love both sports. but UFC needs to quit putting weak cards together. They have 5 belts so there should be one up for grabs at every PPV. There is no way UFC will come close to the PPV sales tonight. There are too many Mexicans that will order the boxing tonight.
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9-19-2009 @ 2:24PM
cewfew said...
Osacar DelaHoya, in my opinion, single handedly has destroyed the sport of boxing. What he calls a "fight" is not fighting. If anyone in history is a paper champion, he is. In the beginning, I used to pay for Oscar DeLaHoya fights. Until I realized what his "style" was. Then I moved to buying the fights hoping to see an opponent destroy him. Then it dawned on me the corruption that was at play here. The "fight" was an exhibition, a dance, orchestrated, no one gets hurt, everyone gets paid. People have gotten fed up with that senario. I remember watching the post fight interviews when Mayweather said with a big smile on his face how he was ready for a rematch with DeLaHoya. Oh yea, Floyd, and you think we're ready to shell out 50 bucks to watch your bogus fight again. I'm an MMA fight fan. Yes, a fight fan. Like millions of others disgusted with the old ways of boxing. The sport of boxing is dead. And I blame the Golden Boy, who was all about getting paid from the beginning. He killed the sport. Now that he is promoting, I'm sure he'll kill it dead.
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9-19-2009 @ 2:26PM
SHADOWWOLFX69 said...
well i like boxing and i like ufc,mma. and i see it like this, the reason why mma is still some what in the infant stage compared to boxing is the stupid people at espn that don't want to give mma much if any coverage. they want to view it as just brutal sluggfest, when it's fighting like boxing except they can use other parts of there body, to me espn needs to remember it is us the fans that made them what they are, without us there would have been no sports center. so why step on and over mma fans. but hey at least espn shows great sports like cup stacking or hotdog eating contest, where some dumbass wins by stuffing his or her mouth with food and no doubt puking it up later, so they can win a belt that no one gives a damn about, im not going to be walking around and be like hey! there is that guy who ate 50 hotdogs, i could care less. so espn needs to stop being stuck up and get their head out their ass, and cover mma who are they to decide we are the one's watching, so i say make your wants known to espn. and it's true there have been way way more deaths in boxing then mma, over the history of boxing there has been more then one death, not to forget about injuries, the greatest of all time has parkinson i thibk it is or some kind of medical issue which was brought on by all the blows he took to the head, if anything mma does is it puts money in the pockets of dentis and some of the fighters end up with messed up ears. anyway espn grow the hell up and show mma, because at the moment boxing does not have any well know heavy weight boxers.
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9-19-2009 @ 2:30PM
barbdawg3 said...
your boxing nuthuggers can brush MMA off and call it what you want...but face it, boxing as a sport is dead and MMA is the future of combat entertainment..hence the MMA, boxing is part of it... maybe if you took the time to appreciate it you'd see the art involved..nobody wants to watch two boxers throw two punches and clinch.. waste of time and mayweather is a waste of money..de la hoya , tyson, those were the last wave of real boxers. and Arum is an ass, he ruined boxing and now he realizes MMA and the UFC brand are where the fans are going.
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9-19-2009 @ 2:31PM
HammondGirl said...
Look, boxing is great,but how many fights do you get for $49.95? One? With MMA you get five, six, depending on how the fights go. What happens if there is a knockout in the first round of the Mayweather fight? Hope it was worth the money.
And i agree with kerel24k. If you are a fight fan, you can be excited to watch a boxing match, or a mma fight, or olympic judo matches, or a jujitsu tournament. Why does there have to be a difference?
And the whole swastika tattoo thing. Is it wrong? Hell yeah it's wrong. Does it mean that all white mma fighters are neo nazi white power enthusiasts? No. But Mayweather did say that mma is "the only fighting sport white fighters can find in which they can thrive." Is that a wrong racial remark? Yeah. Fighters are fighters. Most aren't politically correct soft spoken people.
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9-19-2009 @ 2:34PM
Hi Mary! said...
They will have their eyes on the black man, of course!! Why would they even bother to put the white man in the ring??? Blacks are taking over every sport - but ain't that the plan??? They won't be happy until they own the world - and if they have a little glitch along the way, all they have to do is cry "RACIST" - this gets them anything they want and THEY KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!!
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9-19-2009 @ 4:51PM
Hey Connie said...
What has that got to do with the topic at hand?? Nothing-take your nonsensical banter and continue talk to the people in your head!!
9-19-2009 @ 6:01PM
psychoticdream said...
wtf was that rant about?
whats race got to do with this article?